Can You Install A Water Softener Without A Loop
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If these features are not found at the water loop site, they should be added before a softener is installed. Soft water loops do not require significant maintenance. If you think you might be able to install a water softener, then consider the following: There are four things to connect when you install a water softener: (1) Inlet; (2) Outlet; (3) Drain; and (4) Plug it in. Really, that’s three (3) – if you can’t plug it in, well that’s too bad! If you are going to be turning off the water to the house and you have an electric water heater, shut off the power to the water heater before beginning installation in case water heater is accidentially drained. Pick a suitable location for your filter system on a dry level spot where it won’t be exposed to freezing temperatures.
My main water supply on my home is located on the east wall of the home, whereas my garage is located on the west side of the home. There is no water softener loop in the home, and in Arizona most water softeners are put in the garage on newer homes.
I would like to put in a water softener but I'm uncertain that I should re-plumb my water into the garage and back to the east wall into the house.
The way I see it I have two options:
Plumb from the mains on the east wall, under the landscaping and into the east wall of the garage. Then into the softener and out, under the landscaping into the east wall of the house.
Place the water softener behind the east backyard fence (outside), and plumb the east wall main through the fence and into the water softener. Then water softener to the east wall of the house.
My questions are:
- What is: more cost effective and/or more logical to do?
- What type of pipe should I use under ground, given we are located in Arizona.
- Taking Arizona weather into account (Phoenix/Mesa area) if I chose #2 and placed the softener outside, what weather concerns should I know of: freezing, extreme heat, etc.?
- Is there a specific type of softener I should look for?
- Given Option #1 is the right choice, do I need to worry about line pressure drop going that far of a distance and back? approx 15-20ft each way (total of 30-40ft).
Pictures of the home
This is a crude drawing of option #1.
This is the location of the water main, as you can see its on the east wall in front of the backyard fence.
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Download naruto shippuden episode 334 subtitle indonesia samehadaku. Okay I will try my best on this one. Living in an arid climate does create quite the change in temperature, do you ever get below freezing there? Code up here is at least 18' underground and sleeved if the water line is not approved for underground. I would suggest PVC sch80 pipe as I believe that is approved. The pressure loss is also minimal for the length of pipe in PVC but the number of elbows you are proposing, which I am counting 9 is a total friction loss of about 38 feet of head which is 16 psi. Now I am not saying you'll loose that much off the piping but the calculation suggest it. That is the garage application. Now on average from a water softener you will also lose about 5 psi. I understand the aesthetics your house is important, but I would keep it outside behind the fence if you guys down there have weather that doesn't go below freezing. If you do I would box it and put heat trace on the softener and lines. I hope this helps.
Niall C.♦If it were me, I would definitely put the softener in the garage. Protecting it from weather, critters, and extreme temperature variation seem reason enough. But to also have it where you can easily monitor it daily seems reason enough again to locate it in the garage.
But the water meter looks like it is above ground: Maybe the climate is safe against freezing? I am under the impression that all of Arizona is desert climate, which means below freezing temperatures are possible overnight most days of the year.
You only need to run one pipe from the water meter to the softener. From inside the garage, you should be able to connect into the system more directly than going back to the meter. In fact, would the water heater be in there too? (I don't see an exhaust for one maybe because there is not enough resolution in the photos.) If it is, you can put a T fitting onto the cold feed into the water heater and distribute softened water from there. Cap off the end near the water meter.
As for digging and burying in the front yard or running it under the house, I would expect running under the house is easier and cheaper. Does it have a crawlspace?
wallykwallykI live in Phoenix and have a Kinetico water softener in my back yard. It is in a small shed that keeps it out of the sun.
How To Install A Water Softener Without Loop
The advantage with a Kinetico is that it takes no power. The heat and cold do not bother it. It does get a bit dusty and I occasionally just hose it down. It does cost more, but in my case putting the softener in my garage was not an option so it seemed worth the extra expense.
In your case you could consider installing one just behind your fence, a few feet back from the water main.
PVC is used underground a lot in my neighborhood (Cold water only, CPVC is rated for hot water). Copper is usually used above ground, for the resistance to sunlight I suppose. If you put the softener behind the fence, your run would be short enough that I would probably use copper for the whole loop.
Scott BrunsScott BrunsYou cannot insytall a softener without a soft water loop. the soft water cant go to cold side of KS, refrigerator or hose bibbs.
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When we think of soft water the immediate thought is often, “oh yeah you mean water that won’t leave stains on windows!” and as true as this may be, it is not the stains on the windows that causes the desire for soft water it is that those stains are from chemicals left in the water that were put in the water to neutralize any harmful or dangerous pathogens that may have been present.
Turning water from “hard” to “soft” requires the use of a water softener system. The most effective way to soften the homes water is to have a whole house system installed where water is in a sense filtered before it is sent into the home.
To increase the effectiveness of whole home water softening, a system called water softening loop installation is used which requires intense skill and knowledge to do. Basically, softened water should not be used to water the grass, trees and plants and is not needed for other water units in the home. Here are some other reasons for installing a bypass loop:
- Having a loop installed greatly increases the life of the softener by decreasing the amount of water that it needs to soften.
- Having the filter last longer saves in both energy and cost
- Some activities, including cold water cloth washing perform well with the hard water.
As much as having a bypass loop installed for the water softener improves the overall efficiency of the whole house water softening process, it is not a job for the amateur or faint of heart. Precision work is needed and a sound understanding of the pipe system is a must. Hiring an honest company founded upon principles of integrity such as Davis Plumbing and Drain Service is a critical decision saving much energy, frustration, cost, and mistakes!